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DH7: Improve the Argument, then Refute Its Central Point...if you're interested in producing truth, you will fix your opponents' arguments for them. To win, you must fight not only the creature you encounter; you [also] must fight the most horrible thing that can be constructed from its corpse."

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I find this is the most constructive way to resolve a debate between two people (see: Puma ENZO WEAVE Sports shoes peacoat/ white gSxIaLStc
) But in long-running debates, or ones with heated debaters, this is much harder. Firstly, because many debates are long running precisely because this strategy cannot be applied to the,. The issue with heated debaters is that this requires an open mindset of looking for truth versus looking to prove yourself right, which I find lacking in many debates.

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There's a valuable difference between two different kinds of counterarguments (that I encountered in Drescher's Good and Real, but I presume it's widely known):

To correct someone, it is not sufficient to offer an argument for the opposite conclusion. At that point you merely have an apparent paradox - two arguments for opposite conclusions. You must also point out where in their argument they went wrong.

If everyone followed this policy, it could break certain circular or repetitious disputes which are trapped in a cycle of: A offers argument for X, B offers argument for not-X, A repeats their argument more clearly or more loudly, B repeats their argument in turn, and so on.

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Doing this is often surprisingly difficult. There's something about analytical frameworks, where to me, A feels like a flaw in the argument to B, whereas to you, B feels like a flaw in the argument to A.

I think one reason for this is that decisions are made in terms of cost-benefit analysis, which tends to make that distinction fuzzier.

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Maybe they didn't go wrong, and there is no paradox, and it is a matter of relative values as to which is more important.

In which case screaming makes a lot of sense as a strategy.

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In that case, we can replace "point out where in their argument they went wrong" with "point out where our underlying value judgments seem to diverge."

If they then try to argue that your are wrong and theirs are right, either you have to move the discussion up a meta-level or, yes, screaming.

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Interesting hierarchy, but it lacks one important point which is often fundamental in some debates, like the theism/atheism one, or even many political one : the difference between "belief" and " Puma FUTURE NETFIT Moulded stud football boots whiteblackred YnjHKR9
". For many theists nowadays, the core of their belief in God is not really due to deep reasons that God has to exist - they believe that Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark and most of the Bible are philosophical tales, not that they really happened, they believe in evolution, when they are sick they go see a doctor, not to Robert Clergerie Platform buckled sandals 1PP92
... but they still believe in God, because if they feel that if they don't, life has no meaning, ethics will crumble, and the horror of death will become unbearable without the hope of afterlife.

When someone is thinking like that, no DH5, DH6 or DH7 level disagreeing on the existence of God will do much. But building a Valentino Multicolor Metallic Purrfect Sneakers soL1PVmkN
could. While under your hierarchy, attacking those belief in belief, building a line of retreat, would be only a DH1, while it can (in some cases, obviously not in all of them) be the most efficient way to disagree : point to the core reason behind a disagreement.

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It's much the same concept, but I will point out that I prefer to build people new temples instead of helping them construct lines of retreat.

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Source? I can't find any that look reliable.

Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress. - Gandhi

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Comprar un auto nuevo o uno usado? ¿cuál es la mejor opción?
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Llegó la hora de cambiar el automóvil y es estresante. Nos gustan los autos nuevos, pero también un auto usado requiere menor inversión. ¿Qué hacer? Aquí te ayudamos a tomar la decisión correcta.

Si piensas que la respuesta que te asegura que debes comprar un auto nuevo es que tienes el presupuesto para pagar la mensualidad y el seguro? ¡te equivocas! Tampoco lo es lucir interesante detrás del timón/volante del nuevo modelo 2015 de ese reluciente vehículo? ¡no compres impulsivamente si no quieres lamentarte después!

Hay pros y contras tanto en los autos nuevos como en los de uso y cada cual debe analizarlos teniendo en cuenta sus propias necesidades financieras y de vida. En otras palabras, tu estilo de vida cotidiano, tu bolsillo y tu puntaje crediticio son claves a la hora de tomar una decisión.

Un vehículo nuevo resulta más caro que uno usado, pero si tienes el dinero para el depósito de entrada (down payment) o un vehículo usado que puedes venderle al concesionario o a un particular, buen crédito y el presupuesto para pagar el seguro, podrás empezar a visitar con calma los concesionarios en busca de buenas ofertas e incentivos.

Un vehículo usado resulta más barato que uno nuevo y por esta razón hasta podrás hasta adquirir un modelo más bonito. Además, el seguro te costará mucho menos.

Algunos automóviles nuevos incluyen el mantenimiento gratuito para cierta cantidad de tiempo o millaje. Generalmente los reparan bastante rápido y el concesionario te presta un auto o te permite alquilar uno, generalmente, libre de costos.

Cuando compras un auto de uso estás asumiendo los problemas del dueño anterior. Pregúntate si tienes el presupuesto para pagar las reparaciones del auto usado y si puedes darte el lujo de no tener auto mientras éste está siendo reparado en el taller de mecánica.

¿Serás capaz de resistir la depreciación de un auto nuevo? Los vehículos pierden valor con el paso del tiempo y el millaje. Pero los modelos nuevos deprecian con mayor rapidez. Algunos modelos pueden perder hasta un 40% de su valor en el primer año. Así que, investiga.

? El vehículo usado deprecia muy poco.

? Con un auto nuevo vivirás con la preocupación de que lo golpeen o le estropeen la pintura en un estacionamiento.

? Con un vehículo de uso tendrás más tranquilidad mental, porque el propietario anterior ya sufrió por ti y arregló los golpecitos y rayones recibidos.

Como ves, las razones para comprar un auto nuevo o uno usado no son las mismas para todas las personas. Así que analiza bien todo lo anterior para saber si tu destino está en el concesionario de autos nuevos o en el de usados. ¡Buena suerte!

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